As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.
Most countries can’t conceive of operating at the scale of the US. And a great deal of that military surplus is derived from wealth and labor looted overseas.
You’re stacking up Jeffrey Dalmar against the Enola Gay.
It applies to the entire Western block. You can toss in everyone from the French to the Philippines.
The US just happens to be the folks operating on a global scale. You’ll find American military goons engaged in this kind of wreckless, pointless bloodshed from the coast of Venezuela to the highlands of Yemen.
Wait, then why did you show that photo? US spends more on army than China therefore US bad, but in the same photo China spends more than France therefore France still bad?
Who said anything about the global market? Labor is the single biggest cost to the US military and the gap between What a US private earns and what a Chinese private earns is enormous. This is true of all Chinese labor; weapons and kit manufactured in country are all cheaper for them than imports. And the cost of US weapons are hugely inflated: in the US, the most important consideration in defense appropriations has long been steering the most jobs possible to the most congressional districts possible efficiency be damned.
that… exactly means US soldiers need to lay down their arms and refuse their commanding officers orders. but more importantly it means that those of us who get it have to talk to soldiers about that they are not out there in the world defending freedom. they have been lied to and what they’re really doing is stealing wealth for oligarchs
Take a look at the list of wars over the past few decades. Sure the US shows up and they are a problem but they are hardly alone in that. This is why I said everyone needs to refuse because with even a small number not refusing you can’t have peace.
Look at the List of Wars over the past century and a half. The US is the most frequent followed by the British and Russians. These 3 countries account for most of the problem.
The problem there is that it allows a foreign invader to invade everyone that is peaceful. I think the first step needs to be to refuse to march across the border.
The rest of the world would like to sincerely apologize for making up 0.8% of all unprovoked invasions and war crimes in the last 100 years. We really should do better.
2 questions bombing only specifically, and what do you consider recent? Do the Uyghurs count? Tibet? All the shit they pull in the South China sea? Korea? Vietnam? Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.
I support their intervention in Korea. America was the aggressor in that conflict and the Chinese defended Korean sovereignty from imperialism. Did they bomb Uyghurs without my knowledge? Even if you believe everything western media says about Chinese treatment of Uyghurs their conditions are remarkably better than Palestinians. When Tibetan peasants were freed from serfdom and the culture of the Tibetan ruling class that justified their oppression was suppressed was that equivalent to American imperialism? To the Palestinian genocide? The shit China does in the South China sea is military postering at worst. Nothing they have done has left a place as ruined as Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Nothing has come close the the shear destruction we see at the hands of western imperialism. They are not comparable. You can exaggerate their actions and lie about them to an extreme and they still do not compare to what our countries have done to the world.
Vietnam was fucked up though and I will die mad about it
Ah, good old “their war of imperialism” vs “our liberation of good people”. Right after “oh yeah, you think our genocide is bad? Check out tvis different genocide on the other side of the planet”.
You realise two things can be bad at once, right?
I didn’t say “not bad” I said “not equivalent” and “not comparable”. China does not belong on that list next to Israel and Russia. That’s just patently ridiculous.
If you really need me to say it, yes china has done bad things lol
It’s telling that they have to go all the way back to Vietnam or Korea to try (and fail) to find things equivalent to what the West is going currently.
Ok explain the South China sea bull shit and stealing international waters and being the aggressor to the Philippines an neighbors? Genocide of the Uyghurs? You just jumped right over that part and used only a select part of the statement to make a weak ass strawman argument.
Congratulations on listing things that, between them, have killed actual 0 people. No wonder you were having to go back more than half a century to try and find things that remotely compare with the carnage currently being carried out by the west, and you still couldn’t do it.
How is this “westoid” logic? As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.
We only have a chance at peace when ALL soldiers refuse to invade foreign lands.
Most countries can’t conceive of operating at the scale of the US. And a great deal of that military surplus is derived from wealth and labor looted overseas.
You’re stacking up Jeffrey Dalmar against the Enola Gay.
So how is the original picture “westoid logic” if it only applies to the USA?
It applies to the entire Western block. You can toss in everyone from the French to the Philippines.
The US just happens to be the folks operating on a global scale. You’ll find American military goons engaged in this kind of wreckless, pointless bloodshed from the coast of Venezuela to the highlands of Yemen.
Wait, then why did you show that photo? US spends more on army than China therefore US bad, but in the same photo China spends more than France therefore France still bad?
Adjusted for purchasing power, China is pretty close to the US in defense spending.
The yuan doesn’t buy $8 worth of commodity or labor on the global market. Crazy that anyone would believe this.
Who said anything about the global market? Labor is the single biggest cost to the US military and the gap between What a US private earns and what a Chinese private earns is enormous. This is true of all Chinese labor; weapons and kit manufactured in country are all cheaper for them than imports. And the cost of US weapons are hugely inflated: in the US, the most important consideration in defense appropriations has long been steering the most jobs possible to the most congressional districts possible efficiency be damned.
If you are considering that then you would have to divide it to be per capita as well
What? Why?
You’re not wrong, it’s just that that statement historically doesn’t apply to the US. Very few US wars started because we were attacked.
that… exactly means US soldiers need to lay down their arms and refuse their commanding officers orders. but more importantly it means that those of us who get it have to talk to soldiers about that they are not out there in the world defending freedom. they have been lied to and what they’re really doing is stealing wealth for oligarchs
So US soldiers need to refuse to invade foreign lands. How does that not apply to the US?
There are a very small number of problem countries. Your statement implied otherwise.
Take a look at the list of wars over the past few decades. Sure the US shows up and they are a problem but they are hardly alone in that. This is why I said everyone needs to refuse because with even a small number not refusing you can’t have peace.
Look at the List of Wars over the past century and a half. The US is the most frequent followed by the British and Russians. These 3 countries account for most of the problem.
And maybe not only foreign lands, but also their own ones.
The problem there is that it allows a foreign invader to invade everyone that is peaceful. I think the first step needs to be to refuse to march across the border.
The rest of the world would like to sincerely apologize for making up 0.8% of all unprovoked invasions and war crimes in the last 100 years. We really should do better.
0.8%? At that point I have to ask wtf you consider the west to include as it sounds like you must be ignoring anything done by everyone else.
not every other country is the usa, and not every other country is meddling in every world situation and creating world situations.
sit the fuck down redwhiteandblue underwear, this comment wont hurt you.
Ahem take a look at Russia right now ahem. Or Israel, or China…
Has China been bombing people recently?
2 questions bombing only specifically, and what do you consider recent? Do the Uyghurs count? Tibet? All the shit they pull in the South China sea? Korea? Vietnam? Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.
Western chauvinists have so little to hold against China that they have to resort to things that China isn’t doing, but “might” do in the future.
Conviniently skipped all the other points
Oh no, someone criticized China. 🥺
Not surprised to see this jerk face banned.
I support their intervention in Korea. America was the aggressor in that conflict and the Chinese defended Korean sovereignty from imperialism. Did they bomb Uyghurs without my knowledge? Even if you believe everything western media says about Chinese treatment of Uyghurs their conditions are remarkably better than Palestinians. When Tibetan peasants were freed from serfdom and the culture of the Tibetan ruling class that justified their oppression was suppressed was that equivalent to American imperialism? To the Palestinian genocide? The shit China does in the South China sea is military postering at worst. Nothing they have done has left a place as ruined as Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. Nothing has come close the the shear destruction we see at the hands of western imperialism. They are not comparable. You can exaggerate their actions and lie about them to an extreme and they still do not compare to what our countries have done to the world.
Vietnam was fucked up though and I will die mad about it
Ah, good old “their war of imperialism” vs “our liberation of good people”. Right after “oh yeah, you think our genocide is bad? Check out tvis different genocide on the other side of the planet”.
You realise two things can be bad at once, right?
I didn’t say “not bad” I said “not equivalent” and “not comparable”. China does not belong on that list next to Israel and Russia. That’s just patently ridiculous.
If you really need me to say it, yes china has done bad things lol
It’s telling that they have to go all the way back to Vietnam or Korea to try (and fail) to find things equivalent to what the West is going currently.
Ok explain the South China sea bull shit and stealing international waters and being the aggressor to the Philippines an neighbors? Genocide of the Uyghurs? You just jumped right over that part and used only a select part of the statement to make a weak ass strawman argument.
Congratulations on listing things that, between them, have killed actual 0 people. No wonder you were having to go back more than half a century to try and find things that remotely compare with the carnage currently being carried out by the west, and you still couldn’t do it.
Whataboutism
Yeah? I’m looking at China, and I’m not seeing anything.
Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South China Sea, India… off the top my head.
India and China have a border dispute using sticks and rocks.
I am not American