I gave a variety of sources, because you were incredibly vague. One thing you do repeatedly in this comment, though, is immediately dismiss any source that agrees with the reality that Ukraine is governed by a far-right nationalist group that upholds Stepan Bandera. This truth is so counter to your understanding that you feel it a claim capable of being dismissed without any evidence from your part. Regardless of how well-sourced and backed up this is, from whatever source, even the pro-Ukraine New York Times, you still deny it.
If I give you hard evidence, and you dismiss it purely because it disagrees with your ideology, what’s the point in me giving you evidence? Genuinely. Your only argument against Ukraine being governed by far-right nationalists is that Russia also believes this, which is racism at worst and utterly confused logic at best.
As for the reason why I showed western involvement in setting up the current government of Ukraine, it’s because it’s quite clear that that was the reason for the Euromaidan Coup. The west set up a group of far-right nationalists, for the ends of securing their economic interests in the region. This includes encircling Russia, cutting off supply of cheap Russian gas, and drawing out an unpopular war to try to economically weaken Russia as much as possible.
You further add your own conspiracy theory, that the most Statesian president ever doing the most Statesian things, is somehow a Russian asset. You provide no evidence for this either, just like you provided no evidence to counter mine, yet just leave it hanging as though stating it is evidence.
I implore you to move beyond sheer knee-jerk reaction, and actually pay attention to the points being brought up. No news source is ever neutral, and a source not being neutral does not mean it is wrong.
I implore you to move out of your echo chamber and actually pay attention to the points being obvious to anybody not being tied exclusively to propaganda pages. Some news sources aren’t just for delusional tankies and a source not being exclusively Russian astroturfing crap does not mean it’s wrong.
It’s virtually impossible to be in an “echo chamber” when living in a Five Eyes country. Or rather, it’s virtually impossible to not be stuck in the Five Eyes liberal echo chamber. You would have to go full Kaczynski, living in a shack in the woods.
As if we weren’t—and aren’t still—exposed to exactly the same life-long indoctrination, education, and propaganda as everyone else in the imperial core. But somehow we, who looked beyond the cultural hegemony in which we’re surrounded, are the ones living in a bubble.
This is just vague mockery, it isn’t a point. I’ve only been able to come to the conclusions I have because I don’t live in an echo chamber, and seek sources not just from the west but also the east and other global south perspectives. Communists aren’t delusional, no matter how much you may think we are.
I gave a variety of sources, because you were incredibly vague. One thing you do repeatedly in this comment, though, is immediately dismiss any source that agrees with the reality that Ukraine is governed by a far-right nationalist group that upholds Stepan Bandera. This truth is so counter to your understanding that you feel it a claim capable of being dismissed without any evidence from your part. Regardless of how well-sourced and backed up this is, from whatever source, even the pro-Ukraine New York Times, you still deny it.
If I give you hard evidence, and you dismiss it purely because it disagrees with your ideology, what’s the point in me giving you evidence? Genuinely. Your only argument against Ukraine being governed by far-right nationalists is that Russia also believes this, which is racism at worst and utterly confused logic at best.
As for the reason why I showed western involvement in setting up the current government of Ukraine, it’s because it’s quite clear that that was the reason for the Euromaidan Coup. The west set up a group of far-right nationalists, for the ends of securing their economic interests in the region. This includes encircling Russia, cutting off supply of cheap Russian gas, and drawing out an unpopular war to try to economically weaken Russia as much as possible.
You further add your own conspiracy theory, that the most Statesian president ever doing the most Statesian things, is somehow a Russian asset. You provide no evidence for this either, just like you provided no evidence to counter mine, yet just leave it hanging as though stating it is evidence.
I implore you to move beyond sheer knee-jerk reaction, and actually pay attention to the points being brought up. No news source is ever neutral, and a source not being neutral does not mean it is wrong.
I implore you to move out of your echo chamber and actually pay attention to the points being obvious to anybody not being tied exclusively to propaganda pages. Some news sources aren’t just for delusional tankies and a source not being exclusively Russian astroturfing crap does not mean it’s wrong.
It’s virtually impossible to be in an “echo chamber” when living in a Five Eyes country. Or rather, it’s virtually impossible to not be stuck in the Five Eyes liberal echo chamber. You would have to go full Kaczynski, living in a shack in the woods.
As if we weren’t—and aren’t still—exposed to exactly the same life-long indoctrination, education, and propaganda as everyone else in the imperial core. But somehow we, who looked beyond the cultural hegemony in which we’re surrounded, are the ones living in a bubble.
This is just vague mockery, it isn’t a point. I’ve only been able to come to the conclusions I have because I don’t live in an echo chamber, and seek sources not just from the west but also the east and other global south perspectives. Communists aren’t delusional, no matter how much you may think we are.