You’re right, because I don’t support genocide.

You are one of the loudest champions for the bidenyahu genocide.

Oh, this is fucking RICH coming from you.

You’re getting nitpicky. But you’re right. Making excuses for the people who capitulated like you wanted them to is words, not actions. Your words excusing them put the lie to your claim that you don’t support them. Excuses are support.

If you don’t want to be treated as an apologist, don’t engage in apologia.

I’m sorry for opposing fascism

I’m sorry you never have.

Sorry, was that too far back for you to remember?

No, I just don’t believe you. You claim that you don’t support them while supporting them by making excuses for them. Actions speak louder.

Where the fuck did I say otherwise?

Oh. I see. You’re defending useless democrats because they were more steadfast in support of genocide than they are for healthcare.

Is it that you can’t parse what I’m saying,

I’m not buying your pro-capitulation bullshit. None of it. Democrats were more steadfast in their support of netanyahu’s genocide than they have ever been about healthcare.

Ah yes, the good old “I might be a genocide enabler, but you were mean to me, and that’s worse!”

You spent an entire year cheerleading the bidenyahu genocide while being abusive to anyone who doesn’t love it as much as you always have and always will.

I’m sorry for being a Bernie and Mamdani supporter, an anti-Zionist, and a socialist, lmao.

You should be sorry for repeatedly lying like that.

Again, this reflects a truly astounding lack of understanding of the interplay of the Federal shutdown with state and municipal elections.

Again, you have no idea of how branding works. Or you like the party’s current “fuck off if you’re not literally netanyahu” branding.

But I guess like a toddler

Anyone who wants to can look at your comments and see that you do nothing but namecall anyone who disagrees with the capitulation you enthusiastically support.

The same voters who increasingly blamed the Dems for the shutdown as it’s dragged on?

I suppose we’ll see if capitulation makes them more popular.

I’m sorry that you live in a fantasy land instead of the real world.

Says the guy who is trying to convince people that capitulation is a good thing after the party was rewarded for standing its ground.

… you’re literally here, engaging

But not on your terms.

albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.

There’s some of that abuse I mentioned. You just can’t help yourself.

that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.

Lord.

That’s not a denial.

Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?

Understanding it and buying it are two different things.

Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?

No, you’re to his right.

Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government?

I do. I also understand that the democrats’ brand was in the toilet because they did what pro-genocide anti-worker anti-healthcare centrists like you wanted for so long. The second it started looking like they were changing for the better and had acquired a spine, they started winning again.

Turns out, no. They were just pretending to have a spine until the polls closed. Yet another shutdown where democrats get nothing because they capitulate like you want.

If you think that the FEDERAL shutdown was a major issue for the Mayor of New York City (who had been leading in the polls for months) and the governorship of New Jersey and Virginia (where the polls had also been clear since before the shutdown), you’re out of your gourd.

If you think that the voters didn’t respond well to a party that was finally pretending to start stand up for them, you have no idea how branding works. Well, at least they capitulated like they do on everything but genocide support, so healthcare subsidies are going away. So it’s a win for you. Democrats existing brand, the one everyone but centrists like you were pissed off about, is maintained.

And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.

I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.

Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive.

that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.

Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”

You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.

If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.

What the fuck?

Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.

But they HAD to! The shutdown was so UNPOPULAR that democrats all LOST in the most recent election!

/s not because the sarcasm isn’t obvious, but because I don’t trust centrists to not ignore the sarcasm on purpose.

The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”

Yes. Which is what you were doing.

Where did I excuse their actions?

By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.

I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.

And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.

If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won. Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.

So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.

You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.

I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks

You are by making excuses for their actions. And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this. You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted, just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.

You just defend the worst actions of democrats no matter what they do.

They held out until the election was over. They had the voters behind them on this and naturally betrayed them immediately as soon as they got what they wanted.

It’s literally just a word that Republicans who don’t want to support our communities use instead of just flat out admitting that they’re anti human

Let’s not pretend it’s just republicans.