i recently looked up the Security clearance law in my country, which has 3 levels.
And only in the highest level, for social media, all they do is look at your public profile
(if i did not misread it)
(They do stuff like asking people close to you questions tho)
My boss worked at IBM before his current role. He said a former colleague of his listed him as a reference for his security clearance and he “got to meet with some men in suits with no sense of humor” as part of it.
Honestly I’ll probably never go for any jobs that require a security clearance because honestly that’s just a level of stress that I don’t need
That makes sense, because any government agencies that actually have a need for intimate knowledge of your social media footprint don’t actually need your password to harvest ALL the data that network has on you public and private.
I mean not really. In my country atleast, any goverment agency would require an order from an judge, which essential means that someone is part of active investigation/ suspect of a crime
spy agencys might have different capabilties, but practices like this would still be most likely illegal, without a cause
I mean maybe if they have an investigation and they want to use that information as evidence sure that would be illegal to use but for background checks any of that information is fair game if they are able to get it. Like if your terms of service specifically say they wont give any information out for any reason, maybe you can sue them if you can prove they got the information with your name attached directly instead of it being sold after being anonymized in aggregate then another company/data broker aggregating other data on you to infer who’s data belongs to who with device footprints then selling that to the government as a service which i mean good luck. But most likely the terms you sign say they will hand over data for criminal investigations or matters of national security to government entities which they can state background checks for high level clearance positions is a matter of national security.
i mean as i said, the law says what exactly is done in such a high level clearance check, and it does not say that they check like private information on social media.
So they cant legally optain this information like this, and because of the privacy laws, the social media platforms would not be allowed to hand that information out just because someone asks without any legal claim either
sure spy agencys might do different stuff, and there might be some other type of international data base they can look into for a background check
But normal goverment agencys cant just bypass the law (in my country), thats just a myth.
No country is publicizing what checks they do for a high level security clearance check unless they want to give bad actors and easy way to beat their checks. What country is this and whats the exact law you are referencing? If you can provide me direct evidence for that I’ll eat my words but I think you are misunderstanding something if im honest.
Sure i mean its totaly possible that i misunderstand something. But i think this is the law that defines these things in germany, even for like BND (spy agency) members
There’s no need to involve the courts when the social media networks are complicit. It’s not as if “how” they obtained the data will ever be tested in court, they only need the data for their own internal investigations. Courts and spy agencies don’t have anything to do with it.
that is just not true. Social media networks are also required by law to keep this data safe and not hand it out just because anyone asks. This is illegal and not how it works at all.
i recently looked up the Security clearance law in my country, which has 3 levels.
And only in the highest level, for social media, all they do is look at your public profile (if i did not misread it) (They do stuff like asking people close to you questions tho)
My boss worked at IBM before his current role. He said a former colleague of his listed him as a reference for his security clearance and he “got to meet with some men in suits with no sense of humor” as part of it.
Honestly I’ll probably never go for any jobs that require a security clearance because honestly that’s just a level of stress that I don’t need
That makes sense, because any government agencies that actually have a need for intimate knowledge of your social media footprint don’t actually need your password to harvest ALL the data that network has on you public and private.
I mean not really. In my country atleast, any goverment agency would require an order from an judge, which essential means that someone is part of active investigation/ suspect of a crime
spy agencys might have different capabilties, but practices like this would still be most likely illegal, without a cause
I mean maybe if they have an investigation and they want to use that information as evidence sure that would be illegal to use but for background checks any of that information is fair game if they are able to get it. Like if your terms of service specifically say they wont give any information out for any reason, maybe you can sue them if you can prove they got the information with your name attached directly instead of it being sold after being anonymized in aggregate then another company/data broker aggregating other data on you to infer who’s data belongs to who with device footprints then selling that to the government as a service which i mean good luck. But most likely the terms you sign say they will hand over data for criminal investigations or matters of national security to government entities which they can state background checks for high level clearance positions is a matter of national security.
i mean as i said, the law says what exactly is done in such a high level clearance check, and it does not say that they check like private information on social media. So they cant legally optain this information like this, and because of the privacy laws, the social media platforms would not be allowed to hand that information out just because someone asks without any legal claim either
sure spy agencys might do different stuff, and there might be some other type of international data base they can look into for a background check
But normal goverment agencys cant just bypass the law (in my country), thats just a myth.
No country is publicizing what checks they do for a high level security clearance check unless they want to give bad actors and easy way to beat their checks. What country is this and whats the exact law you are referencing? If you can provide me direct evidence for that I’ll eat my words but I think you are misunderstanding something if im honest.
SÜD (Sicherheitsüberprüfungsgesetz) In germany
The full one https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/s_g/index.html
The specific actions https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/s_g/__12.html
Sure i mean its totaly possible that i misunderstand something. But i think this is the law that defines these things in germany, even for like BND (spy agency) members
They just buy the data en masse from data brokers. All of the process is civil rights theater.
data brokers dont have private social media data like chats for example.
There’s no need to involve the courts when the social media networks are complicit. It’s not as if “how” they obtained the data will ever be tested in court, they only need the data for their own internal investigations. Courts and spy agencies don’t have anything to do with it.
that is just not true. Social media networks are also required by law to keep this data safe and not hand it out just because anyone asks. This is illegal and not how it works at all.
If that illusion makes you feel safer, then I don’t care enough to argue with you about it.
feel free to provide any evidence to your claims