So, considering this is Lemmy I’ll clarify. I’m not talking about your neighbor who voted for Trump or your uncle who’s always been a dick. I’m talking about coming in contact with a deep down evil scary human. I’ve only met one that I can think of. When I was 12 or 13 I spent a ton of time at my best friends house. He lived on a big beautiful rural property with his dad, a few brothers and always one or two random dudes. His dad was a good electrician and a biker. So, he always had friends/associates hanging around. So one day I was staying over for a long weekend and we met a new guy his dad was housing for a week or two. Dude was a real full fledged nazi. Had a swastika under his eye and tats all over most of his body. He was from California I guess. He was “working” with my buddies dad for awhile. Anyway, the main interaction I had with him was when he pulled my friend and I in for a sermon. We were going to go hunt squirrels and do rural kid shit. He stopped us outside and had us sit on the porch. Spent about 20 minutes explaining all the things youd imagine a nazi explains. Moslty about catholics, jews and blacks. My friends dad came out after awhile and told him we didn’t need to hear that shit. He sent us away, but, I never forgot the look this dude had in his eyes. It was like the look of complete bordem mixed with extreme anger all the time.
As a psych nurse I’ve only met two people who actually unsettled me, both turned out to be serial murderers. I used to work forensics specifically (the “criminally insane”), so I’ve met lots of rapists, murderers, and a ton of pedophiles. Most of them are just either pathetic and trying to not go to prison where they’ll get their shit kicked in, or did something real stupid while not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground. As long as you follow some basic rules you’ll be fine (don’t be alone with them or within arms reach if you can help it, bring a buddy if you do, and never let them between you and the door, etc.) and honestly half of that is more for their safety than yours (you’d win the fight, but you’d be in a lot of trouble).
But both of these dudes just gave me an instant back of the neck prickle. All you can do is interact as little as possible, exit every situation as soon and as smoothly as you can, protect your newer workers who don’t know better, and hope the doctor discharges them ASAP. There’s no fixing that and all you can do is escape and hope they quickly go somewhere they can be contained properly (ideally a max security prison).
Funny, I was here to also tell a story except about a psych nurse. A “friend” of a friend. This actually happened recently. Dude was a cop, as was my friend(past tense is important here), they bonded over PTSD as well as both being on a psych unit. Well, dude tells a lot of stories about his copping days, and my buddy vouches for him as a date for a coworker. Turns out, guy is crazy, gets super possessive, crazy stuff like sending hundreds of texts a day, and violently rapes her. His whole backstory of being a cop was a lie, after digging, and finding close to double digits social media accounts, turns out he was separated for “administrative purposes” and moved here.
Most unsettling thing, for both me, and my friend, is, there weren’t really a ton of egregious red flags. Looking back, sure, but in the moment, absolutely not. He’s having a hard time trusting his judgment(insert quip about being a cop at one point). I truly believe that was the first psychopath I’ve met.
My ex wife was abusive, manipulative, and just turned out to be an awful person all around. Like her whole personality changed on our wedding night and she went from being one of the kindest people I knew to fearing she would stab me in my sleep over the course of a year after knowing her for 3.
I’m not the person to have enemies but we live for a long time so we meet awful people eventually even if you avoid it.
So only a few people took advantage of me or have screwed me badly over the years.I have never needed to take revenge since I seem to have some kind of guardian devil that does the work for me in an extreme way.
1 mean duo of girls: mental institution and death by brain tumor.
Ex GF: bad car crash
Ex friend that took my GF: some random guy punched out all his teeth, later became homeless.
So I guess, don’t fuck with me evil people.
I had a nazi say to my face that they wanted to kill me and hang me from a wall.
I suppose that counts to be a real pos.
I have two very irresponsible parents, and in one case they took a loan from my eldest brother (that I ended up helping them repay) because he involved a lawyer to compel them to act responsibly in paying him back.
I consider that a little bit evil.
I have another older brother. My parents signed their house over to him in exchange for $10,000 to pay some back taxes, on the verbal agreement that they can reside there until they pass away. (They’re elderly.) Fast forward five years, and now I have to beg for money via GoFundMe to help with their legal defense because he’s literally trying to render them homeless. (Thankfully we won.)
I consider him legit evil. Throwing your parents out into the streets is a legit evil thing to do, even if they are a pain in the ass. (And they are, they’re 21 months into me “loaning” them my car so they can drive for DoorDash.)
Wait so were your parents or your brother the evil ones with regards to the loan story? Because I think refusing to pay it back sounds kind of like the worse thing in this scenario, especially when you borrowed money from your own children. “Evil” doesn’t exactly sound right, unless the whole time the entire idea was to never pay it back in the first place but getting a lawyer involved because they are making no indication that they’ll otherwise pay you back seems like kind of a step that was tragically made necessary.
It’s complicated, but I see your point. My parents treat us like ATM’s sometimes.
But for me the distinction is intent. I don’t think my parents do any of this with the intent of not following through. They’re just pathologically irresponsible.
I also blame our culture and our country, because most first-world countries take care of the elderly as part of their social welfare system. Here, if you’re in your 80’s it doesn’t matter. Don’t work and society will find a way to put you on the street so a billionaire can add a fraction of a point to their dividends.
If they are pathologically irresponsible, then I’m struggling to see how it is “evil” to get backup in the form of the law in enforcing that they act responsibly?
Someone called me evil in their suicide note once, and ever since then I’ve been wondering if they were right.
what did you do
Nah evil people don’t worry about that. They were probably just really sick, it’s not your fault.
I guess I could tell a story about the worst person I ever met. I don’t know exactly what criteria elevate someone to the level of “evil” versus just being an awful, horrid person, so I’ll let readers make that judgement.
It was 2010. I was 20 years old and needed a job. Through family networking, I was able to land a brief stint working with a distant cousin of mine who I’d never met before. Let’s call him “James”. I’m scheduled to work with him for about a week, traveling out of state to a small town in Virginia to do some maintenance on pools and such. Seems like a simple enough gig.
He pulls up to my house in his pickup truck to pick me up. Keep in mind I’ve never met this guy before in my life. We’re not 10 minutes down the road when he starts dropping every racial slur you can think of talking about Obama and minorities and such. Guy was like a thesaurus of epithets.
Fast forward 5 or 6 hours that we’ve been driving. During this brief window of time I have heard this guy scream at his girlfriend over the phone about how she “better not be at the bar” or “hanging out with her friends”. He has road raged at every inconsequential inconvenience, making multiple reckless, dangerous maneuvers to save virtually zero transit time. He has pinned every misfortune in his life on black people, immigrants, gays. Anyone but himself.
After this harrowing trip, we’re finally at our destination and we can get to work. To say this guy was an abusive boss would not do it justice. His preferred method of communication was yelling. He’d light up a joint and smoke it very brazenly when there were children not particularly far away from us (one of the pools we worked on was at a community center where lots of kids would play). I don’t have any problem with weed, but c’mon.
Each day when we were done with work, we’d pick out some place to eat. During this week-long stay in this small town, I witnessed multiple random acts of kindness by strangers. James had nothing but angry, hateful things to say about every single one. I saw a guy let some veterans cut in front of him in line at a Bojangles. “What a kiss-ass,” James says. One day at a KFC, an elderly woman gives me and James a big bucket of chicken and biscuits because they got her order wrong and told her to keep it. “Old bitch,” says James after she walks away.
Every night after dinner he’d be at the bar getting hammered. Picking fights with other patrons and generally being a miserable pile of shit. One evening James gets up from the bar to go take a piss. A big biker guy James has been fucking with comes up to me and says, “Your friend’s got a big mouth.”
“Not my friend,” I reply. “He’s my boss, unfortunately. But if you and your biker buddies wanna drag him out back and beat the piss out of him, you ain’t gonna hear me complain.” Biker guy gives a big laugh and pats me on the back in an understanding way.
On the last day of the job, we’ve begun the drive back home. He sees a hotel with a pool that we’re about to pass and unilaterally decides we’re gonna try to fleece some hotel owner by doing some “maintenance” on the pool. He convinces this old man that the pool needs inspecting and the guy agrees to purchase our services. James fucks around for an hour doing virtually nothing to this pool and then charges the guy several hundred dollars. Brow beating and bullying him the entire time.
And to wrap it all up, he didn’t pay me what we’d negotiated. Unfortunately I wasn’t good at advocating for myself at this time in my life, so I just put up with it.
The silver lining to all this is I haven’t seen or heard from him since then. He drove away and has never darkened my doorway in the 15 years since that dismal week. Good riddance.
The one comfort to take out of people like this: They will never ever be happy. The anger they constantly feed, will consume them wholly. It’s just a shame about the people they hurt around them.
I laughed out loud at that biker remark 😄
I knew a guy in grad school who was a hard-core Trumper back in 2015/16 who thought I was too because we both owned guns and were white I guess.
Anyway - I was talking to him one day about an epidemiological analysis I was leading a team on for HHS. I’m a geographer, and our group was analyzing the demographic, spatial, socioeconomic, and temporal distribution of cases of gonorrhea in a major metropolitan area.
I explain that we’re doing multivariate analysis on the demographic stuff because of all the issues caused by covariance showing “fake” correlation between gonorrhea and other variables. I explained that while the strongest indicator of gonorrhea in univariate analysis was whether or not you were black, that was actually an artifact from the fact that being black had a strong covariance with other variables like low income status, low employment rate, low education level, high population density, poor access to preventative healthcare, etc, and that when you took all the covariance into account there was no actual statistically significant correlation between gonorrhea and being black.
He then said something that was etched into my memory:
“It’s just you and me here, [chilie]. You don’t have to be all PC about thisbshit with me. We both know that just like how there’s stupid breeds of dogs, there are stupid breeds of people, and it’s a fucking disgrace that you can’t study that honestly here.”
That racist motherfucker has a Master’s degree.
There’s definitely subsets of idiots but they come from all cultures loool
yeah i dated a woman who was a Art professor at a liberal arts school. She was native Korean. I stupidly assumed she was liberal and progressive…
She was incredibly fucking racist. She would talk about how all asian men should be rounded up and shot. She hated black and hispanic people.
She was a white supremacist. Straight up told me how she loved how tall and pale my skin was. And how much she loved asian/white people because they had so much moeny and the other races were all poor pieces of shit. It was creepy as fuck.
Broke up with a few days later. She also threatened to beat the shit out of me when i broke up with her and I basically had to threaten her with violence… that shut her up real fast.
a lot of people we assume are not racist and ignorant… are deeply racist and ignorance. they just understand they can’t be public about it without ruining their careers. i’ve also dated other so called ‘progressive’ women who were racist as fuck towards black/brown people, but not of the white supremacist variety. most the ‘those people are scary’ variety. but they saw nothing wrong with their own fear/hate of minorities in their personal life, as long as they lectured other people about how oppressed they were. it was so weird.
It seems to me that racism is an easy thing for any human to fall into if they are not conditioned out of that from an early age by their family and by their social environment. Fear and hatred of others not like ourselves seems like it could be potentially be a “default” and may have even been an advantage early on when everyone outside your tribe was seen as an enemy. I haven’t read anything about this but is just my impression. Also, you’d be surprised by how racist many countries and cultures are, especially those that are very racially homogeneous and that have less contact with people of other races.
I’ve lived in the southern USA almost my whole life. I am accustomed to racism, unfortunately, but Asian racism hits different. It’s wild.
I’m not sure about pure evil so much as sociopathic. I worked briefly in door to door sales, got taken to some high performer award celebration nonsense and was standing in one of those group circles as people were recounting war stories. “Give her the discount? Hell no. And then I realized she was too old to read what I was writing so I just added an extra year on to the contract!” Huge round of laughter, light applause.
To make it more gross… The discount was standard, we got no extra commission for having or not having it, was purely a free promotion to grease the wheels. He just didn’t because, well, the old lady he’d scammed was too trusting.
I quit shortly after.
Yeah that type of sales in particular is filled with psychos. I did it very briefly when I was like 19. My trainer had a rule that if you get in the house, always piss in their toilet. Apparently he felt it gave him the image of control.
That’s messed up!
My rule, especially when I was working in South East Asian neighbourhoods, was something like “stop saying yes to the first dinner offer! There’ll be something amazing you haven’t had yet by door 5.” (Those folks were crazy friendly, really blew me away and opened my eyes to a whole range of delicious foods.)
GOD!
That is some Always Be Closing level shit right there!
Oh, best believe we used that line all the time, unironically. It’s like they’d all watched Glengarry Glen Ross and missed the entire point of the movie/play.
Yeah, there’s a good scene in the movie “Boiler Room” where all the top sales guys are watching “Wall Street”. They take turns quoting the characters in a really cringe but authentically obsessed way. It’s a pretty good movie and that scene is the best.
My grandmother used to bait a have a hart trap to catch local cats. She would let them finish whatever morsel she tempted them with, asked if they enjoyed their last meal, and would throw the trap in the pond. She would then call my cousin to come drag the trap out of the pond and bury the cat.
Is that evil?
What the fuck?
Yeah, thats really fucked up
I’m sorry you’ve had such a monster be your grandmother
killing/tortuing animals is psychopathic behavior. especially if it is done deliberately.
I wouldn’t say killing animals is categorically psychopathic, but killing them inhumanely certainly is.
The language of “inhumanely” has always bothered me. They aren’t humans. It’s an odd word.
But we are. It’s about our behavior, not the subject we’re acting on.
Hmm. Maybe I’m confused by it’s use. I always took it as the subject.
This is a pretty standard method of pest control, were the cats wild pests? Or are we talking neighbours cats?
Cats should not be allowed to freely roam the streets
This is eye-opening, in a post that talks about evil people. If it’s for population control, isn’t it usually Trap, Spay, Return? But then again, there are some parts of the world people can torture or causally kill cats and dogs with no legal consequences. Humans are disappointing.
Wild cats are driving our native animals to extinction
Waits for them to finish eating and asks if they enjoyed their last meal. She was actively humanizing them before drowning them.
Call me a woke weakling, but I believe even in pest control, you shouldn’t make another being suffer. If you have to kill something for a good reason, the fucking least you can do is make it quick. If you don’t have the gender-neutral balls to do it properly, you shouldn’t do it at all.
Indeed, drowning is a good method that doesn’t accidentally kill the wrong targets and is not causing prolonged suffering like many traps that latch onto the animal. What would you use to kill pests?
Not cats but I had a coworker once that put out glue traps for mice but wouldn’t finish the job after they were caught. I ended up dropping a 20 pound weight from waist high on them. It was the quickest way to do it with what I had available. I spoke to him after and there were no more glue traps.
From what I have heard, drowning sucks as a death. Just shoot them? Or decapitate? Or use anything else that takes seconds instead of minutes?
To be fair, I have never had to heal with a cat plague, the biggest thing I’ve come near were rodents and fish. No idea how practical it is. But again, if one doesn’t have the means for a humane killing, then don’t be the one killing.
Also, I’m pretty sure those “beartrap” style traps are illegal here, and poison traps are usually designed to allow target only one species (usually, rats, since you can’t get them any other way).
I think it’s pretty hard for random members of the population to successfully decapitate animals. Not everyone is able to use a gun. Drowning is quick with no probability of failure or extended suffering.
Have you seen animals drown? In cats specifically, I’ve seen children drowning a newborn kitty. But I was just a child too, it was a raining day, no adults around. It was a horrible way for an animal to die. I still remember the sounds. Didn’t stop them because I was a coward. I didn’t know Australians can kill their cats in such a way casually.
Eh, drowning is probably the biggest suffering you can create without going for extra effort. Just because it’s quiet doesn’t mean it’s fast, I’d take being beaten to death over being drowned any day.
Besides, as I said, if you are not able to kill something quickly, you are not qualified to kill it. People who do stuff like catch fish and then leave them to suffocate just piss me off. If you don’t have the ability to at the very least bash it over the head, then get someone to do it for you.
I had a mouse problem once upon a time, and the new “humane” traps didn’t actually kill them. I got tired of bludgeoning them with a shovel and drowned one, thinking it would be easier. That was brutal and horrific, and I went back to using the shovel.
There is nothing humane about drowning an animal.
Catching and drowning them is standard pest control in what world??? What a terrible way to die. If it was pest control, DPW or similar should/would be taking care of it, not some random geriatric.
It’s pretty good in comparison with almost every other method. It’s pretty privileged to assume everyone can hire professionals for pest management and even then their methods are usually worse. What method would you be suggesting?
Well, we are talking about an instance that happened in a developed nation. In most developed nations Department of Public Works exist for towns and counties. DPW or animal control covers that in my state at least. Me personally? Catch and kill with a gun because I live in a country that allows its citizens to own them. If I didn’t have a gun? One strike to the head with a large rubber mallet. Or if I’ve already gone to the trouble of catching them, maybe some kind of poison/medication. I want you to remember you’re taking the side of catching and drowning random cats in this situation as a good thing.
No, that’s not normal. The fuck?
Far better than leaving poisoned baits for random animals to eat that are not the intended target, or traps that cause extreme suffering in the same manner as bear traps, and doesn’t require guns which are very hard to access now
Well for one, Why do they have to be killed at all? For two, if they do have to be killed, drowing is also a horrific level of fear and suffering. It would be more humane to just hit it in the head with a hammer. But again, why do they HAVE to be killed and why is a geriatric grandmother taking on that responsibility?
look up Australian Cat Plague, if you want to see what happens when you truly let cats just go ham outside “because it’s natural” or whatever reason most people use. they’re little apex predators that kill anything they can get their claws on, if there’s no native predators to control them they will dominate everything smaller than them
you cannot save them all, no amount of adoption centers would be able to receive the inflow of cats from a proper plague of them. there entire pet industries designed towards selling these animals to people who probably can’t even take care of actual human kids let alone an animal
Maybe the commenter can tell us
Feral cats kill an extreme amount of native wildlife here and are essentially the sole cause of extinction for many animals. You cannot rehome feral cats as pets and there’s basically nowhere to take them.
I have two former street cats…
There’s a bit of a difference between domesticated street cats and feral wild cats…
My older brother used to run around with a young man that was raised by racist bikers. The guy killed someone during a house robbery. And still I’m not sure that that person was irredeemably evil.
But I’ve also done time in prison. And was celled up with an old man that hurt a little girl. No acknowledgement, no remorse. Smiling, outgoing. But at the time I had no idea what he had done. And I had no idea that he was a sociopath until he opened up to me about cutting crow’s tongues when he was young, because he had seen a talking crow at a circus. No empathy. As ‘nice’ as he seemed.
Looking back, he had that same look in his eyes that you can see in cult leaders and other sociopaths. When I watched the Nixium documentary with my partner, it was like that. A charismatic predator.
I knew a guy who was, by all objective standards, a musical genius. Brilliant songwriter and lyricist, prolific, could master an instrument in weeks, took to sound production and engineering like a fish to water. In a sane world, he’d have easily flourished in the music business and possibly even made it big, as he had the drive. He had a razor sharp wit and a relentless sense of humor, and in his lucid moments, was a blast to be around.
Except he was an irredeemable and unapologetic pedophile. He had previously done ten years for making and distributing cp by the time I had met him. When I brought it up he vehemently defended himself and his vice as being completely normal and natural, and even bragged about his “work.” He insisted that he did nothing wrong and seemed to genuinely not understand why people didn’t accept it.
Shortly after we parted ways, I learned that he got caught again hoarding thousands of pictures and videos. He’s currently in prison and will spend the rest of his life there.
I wonder if he was himself sexually abused as a child, since I think I’ve heard that being a victim of pedophilia makes one much more likely to become a pedophile themselves.
Yeah he could be killed and the world would be better off.
I knew a kid when I was growing up that was evil. He would talk people into doing things that were not okay, and then he would immediately turn on them and get an authority figure to get them into trouble, all while laughing and then retelling the story to anybody who would listen. He repeated this pattern throughout the entire time I knew him (many years), only escalating the entire time.
I’m guessing he’s probably caused a death or two in his life by now, either directly or indirectly.
I’m guessing he’s probably caused a death or two in his life by now, either directly or indirectly.
Or been killed himself in retribution.
Nope, he has a cushy job.
I ran into a curious individual.
He was bullying me because I was in his way (I did not move, the goal did). As soon as I was not in his way he would try to recruit me into bullying the next person who was.
I’d say he was a manipulative psycopath but he was so inept at what he was trying to do and calling him a psycopath would be an insult to psycopaths. He kept falling into the holes he dug for others.
It’s the only person I’ve felt joy when they suffered.
Side note: what do you call a person who is manipulative, no remorse, see people as something to step on to get where they want but are incredibly bad and keep getting caught, fired, dumped because of it? Psycopaths seems to be good at what they do, he was in his 30s and bad at it.
Your perception of what a psychopath is colored by media portrayals and what notable psychopaths have done. Not all physicists are like Richard Feynman, and they’re all at least reasonably smart.
What you’re describing is a psychopath who is stupid. They do stupid things because they are stupid, and they do psychopath things because they’re a psychopath. They aren’t going to lead the police on a chase across the country after a string of murders. If they kill someone, they’ll probably be caught the very first time. The reason they will kill will be somewhat less nuanced than an intelligent psychopath’s reasons, but that’s the smart vs. stupid difference - they’re both psychopaths. Neither will feel remorse, neither will feel any compelling need to achieve their goals by not harming someone else, and both would do it again if they felt the circumstances warranted it. One will just do it in a way where he might not get caught and the other won’t think that far ahead or will do such a poor job of it that thinking ahead won’t help.
That makes a lot of sense.
From what I’ve heard “psychopath” is in fact a disorder that makes a person worse at managing their own life, in addition to making things worse for the people around them.
To me, evil is when you know the thing you’re doing is morally wrong, you have the option to do anything else (including doing nothing at all) and you do it anyway.
I can make space for people who were trained on bad behavior.
I can make space for people doing the best they can in bad situations.
But I have met people who looked “normal” and could have easily not done the bad thing they were doing to someone else.
When you call them out, some will get defensive. They still have shame.
But the evil ones had this look like a child who knew they were getting away with something. And the something was hurting someone else.
Duper’s delight. It’s almost like they’re surprised to find they’re revelling in getting caught too. At least maybe the first time. Afterwards they might do something wrong expecting to feel that way again, and that’s all kinds of messed up.
Just learned that term the other night! Was watching a video on how to tell when people are lying and she gave examples of the little smile they give.
