Yes I do in fact apply this same exact logic to soldiers in WWII - just as it applies to many of the people who made up fighting forces in the past. There is a long, loooong history of using dogma, duty, brainwashing, even intoxication, to manipulate people into fighting to the death.
If you read firsthand accounts from German soldiers (or really ANY nationality) during WWII, you will quickly realize that they were heavily propagandized in a way we can only begin to understand today. Young German men during WWII had grown up under Nazi rule and had it drilled into their heads at every possible moment. And the choice was to conform or to be shunned (or more likely killed). This does not excuse any of the atrocities they committed, but gives context to their actions and shows how blaming only the soldiers misses a big part of the picture. The same goes for atrocities perpetrated upon the German people by the red army, or for atrocities carried out by IDF in Palestine, etc…
Also, I think you should reflect on the language you use in your comments. I am attempting to be polite, but your comments are outwardly rude.
Sorry if I’m not the kindest to a person that is defending nazis.
Also you’re framing my point as being only critical of soldiers and not the administrations that use them, which is just incorrect and a poor read of my comments. Truly insane what you’re trying to minimize right now.
there’s a difference between defending nazis and understanding how the nazi takeover worked. the banality of evil is what underlies the entire system of violence we exist in. the more people are raised not to see the evil the more they will stand idly by or go along to get along because their mind is absent of any morality. if we want to combat the nazis we need to know what strategies work to resist the colonial mindset that underpins fascism. being scolds of people locked into the propaganda doesn’t work. producing propaganda to counteract it does. and when that fails, you pick up the gun. attacking people who explain the propaganda mechanisms is not picking up the gun. it’s maintaining the divisive mechanisms that benefit the right.
You would be the one virtue signaling, with your enlightened coddling of murderers, not me.
My desire to treat soldiers like dog shit and pray they get PTSD is not “virtuous”, it’s rather crass and upsetting for many people. I do it for the love of the game though.
Yes I do in fact apply this same exact logic to soldiers in WWII - just as it applies to many of the people who made up fighting forces in the past. There is a long, loooong history of using dogma, duty, brainwashing, even intoxication, to manipulate people into fighting to the death.
If you read firsthand accounts from German soldiers (or really ANY nationality) during WWII, you will quickly realize that they were heavily propagandized in a way we can only begin to understand today. Young German men during WWII had grown up under Nazi rule and had it drilled into their heads at every possible moment. And the choice was to conform or to be shunned (or more likely killed). This does not excuse any of the atrocities they committed, but gives context to their actions and shows how blaming only the soldiers misses a big part of the picture. The same goes for atrocities perpetrated upon the German people by the red army, or for atrocities carried out by IDF in Palestine, etc…
Also, I think you should reflect on the language you use in your comments. I am attempting to be polite, but your comments are outwardly rude.
Sorry if I’m not the kindest to a person that is defending nazis.
Also you’re framing my point as being only critical of soldiers and not the administrations that use them, which is just incorrect and a poor read of my comments. Truly insane what you’re trying to minimize right now.
there’s a difference between defending nazis and understanding how the nazi takeover worked. the banality of evil is what underlies the entire system of violence we exist in. the more people are raised not to see the evil the more they will stand idly by or go along to get along because their mind is absent of any morality. if we want to combat the nazis we need to know what strategies work to resist the colonial mindset that underpins fascism. being scolds of people locked into the propaganda doesn’t work. producing propaganda to counteract it does. and when that fails, you pick up the gun. attacking people who explain the propaganda mechanisms is not picking up the gun. it’s maintaining the divisive mechanisms that benefit the right.
in other words.
don’t be a virtue signaling shit lib.
You would be the one virtue signaling, with your enlightened coddling of murderers, not me.
My desire to treat soldiers like dog shit and pray they get PTSD is not “virtuous”, it’s rather crass and upsetting for many people. I do it for the love of the game though.
Typical lib.