• coyootje@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      I really wish Bernie would enter the presidential as an independent. Not necessarily as the presidential pick but maybe as VP, given his age. Although if you see how the annoying orange has been doing recently I think Bernie could take over even in 4 years from now and be better.

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        8 days ago

        I fear that by doing that it would split the left vote. Resulting in more easy Republican victories.

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          8 days ago

          Perhaps. Or he could rally a whole bunch of the republican voters to vote for him as well. At this point you’re basically choosing between 2 evils every election, the borderline nazi evil and the complacent evil. Either one is not getting things done the way they should and maybe a solid 3rd candidate could change that.

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            Dude we’ve been down this fucking road. Stop trying to pry away the fucking Republican voter. They will vote in line, even if it means voting for an orange child rapist.

            We need to move the Democratic party left the way the tea party did the fascist push to the Republican party.

            Our two party system sucks, but it’s not getting fixed anytime soon, so use the tools we have.

            Primary every fucking Democrat with a true liberal and get rid of the old guard.

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              7 days ago

              The time for that was 2016. A lot of MAGA were initially Bernie Bros. The Democrats destroyed that bridge.

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              8 days ago

              Personally, I’m putting my political energy into arenas where actual change is possible. I’m done simping for capitalists.

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    9 days ago

    Bernie should have started 3rd party when they cheated him out of the presidential nomination. He played it safe and achieved nothing.

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      9 days ago

      Americans are too stupid to vote for a 3rd party and they’re too stupid to implement any kind of ranked choice voting.

      We all suffer because of our collective stupidity, and rich people continue to profit off of it.

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        The primaries are the equiivalent of ranked choice voting. The idea is that each party, so each side of the political spectrum, brings out their “best” candidates and the populace votes on who best represents them. The winners of that move on to the general.

        It isn’t quite the same but it also isn’t THAT far off the reality of how the votes turn out when the counting is done. And, theoretically, it encourages party platforms that incorporate the more popular parts of each popular candidate’s platforms. And that… sometimes happens.

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          You have absolutely no idea how ranked choice or primaries work.

          Let’s suppose the Democrat primary has two progressives and one neolib. The progressives get 28% and 32% of the vote…a total of 60% of the vote. The one neolib gets 40%.

          Progressive policies are more popular, but neolib won.

          This is the curse of FPTP.

          Ranked choice would say that those 60% prefer one or the other progressive with the neolib being last. The result is theore popular progressive won, and more importantly, a progressive won.

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            One thing I will point out as an Aussie who knows the system well…here, the preference choice is given to the voter, not the party unless the voter is happy with that. We can choose to vote the whole ticket or just vote 1 and let that party delegate our preferences.

            I always mark the whole ticket. Typically, for me it’s #1 Green, then a raft of independents dependent on their standing, Labor usually third last then One Nation and the Coalition last. Parties do negotiate here about who they’ll preference and that can come down to electorate as well. Generally however, Greens will preference Labor and ON et al will preference the Liberals. Where a preference goes however is at the discretion of the voter unless they just vote 1 for their preferred party.