What he means is that when the chain of command orders it, it’s lawful. He’s wrong, but that is what he means.

Oh fuck off, asshole… you need to be thrown in prison.

What do you want to talk about, then?

let’s circlejerk about MAGA.

I agree. There’s no debate to be had. Just like there is no debate to be had about whether vaccines cause autism. However, you are refusing to engage. You could have said, "Yes, MAGA is awful and that’s not the conversation I’d like to have. However, you didn’t do that. You literally (intentionally or unintentionally) defended MAGA and then complained again that there just isn’t any nuance.

You aren’t seeing nuanced conversations because you’re watching one side disavow law, science, and decency and then pretending that we should give a rat’s ass what they have to say.

Again… you’re asking for rational people to play a high-stakes game of chess with a pigeon and then getting upset that, instead, they shoo away the pigeon. You need to respond that you understand this, that you disagree with it, or something. Again, your very behaviors are why you’re not seeing nuanced conversations – giving you the benefit of the doubt that this is actually what you want.

And, I propose that what you are doing is part of the problem and why you’re not seeing the nuanced conversation you’re seeking. You’re literally making excuses and space for MAGA. You are deflecting and changing the topic. You are coming across as disingenuous. Part of having a nuanced conversation is that you must participate in it and do so in good-faith. Don’t waste my or anyone else’s time with this virtue signaling. You are why people aren’t having the conversation you profess to want to see happening. Any further questions?

The asshole is going to fight on, regardless… he’s just hoping for an easy win so he can focus on a further advance.

The problem goes a lot further than just MAGA

Yes, it does. And, if you’re willing to engage in a good faith conversation, we can have that discussion. Here’s the thing; MAGA and its leaders are patently bad. Not every person associated with MAGA is bad. We can talk in good faith about where the line is for the second group. We can talk in good faith about about what forces are in play that create this situation.

However, there is no good faith conversation to be had in defense of MAGA and its leaders.

Your turn…

MAGA and the rest of their racist/fascist bunch have zero interest in good faith discussion. As such, others who might have engaged in discussion in the past are no longer choosing to waste their time doing so. It’s too much like playing chess with a pigeon, but with substantial consequences.

There probably is some reward - intrinsic or extrinsic - or you wouldn’t be doing it. Monetary reward is often not necessary nor the strongest motivator.

Although you’re generally correct with “kindly” basically being the same as “very much”, you’re missing the passive aggressive version with the remainder of the thought unspoken.

“Thank you, kindly” (go fuck yourself)

Downvoted - I disagree…