I am an emgibeer for the comptooters.
seems like this community really doesn’t like hearing the truth that changing these things are down to their action or inaction as individuals and a group. having a victim complex feels really popular nowadays.
wow, who could’ve predicted that sitting and consuming tiktok slop brainrot for 15 years rendered most people dumb as rocks??
For the OC that’s fair - but I’m not replying to you directly, I’m replying to the person confidently responding to the ELI5 with conjecture that has no basis in reality. ELI5 doesn’t mean “take random stabs in the dark even if you know nothing about what you’re talking about.”
No, neither of you understand how this works or why a data center might cause local electricity bills to go up.
Your bill might go up because the electric company doesn’t give two shits who they sell their electricity to and companies like Google, Meta, etc. are all capable of far outspending actual families and peoples in these local markets. So, the peon’s prices go up.
It’s like, really simply supply/demand economics… it isn’t some grand conspiracy.
Idk why everyone has fucking surprise pikachu face at this sort of thing, big tech made out like a bandit with literally everyone’s money in the 2010s and has been sitting on it since. Everyone has memory like a goldfish though and doesn’t seem to understand exactly the scale of wealth these companies have. If they didn’t dump it all into LLMs and AI they would’ve found other vanity projects to fund.
The problem here isn’t the data centers or AI, it’s that we willingly handed over the keys to the city! Blaming morally neutral things like infrastructure is what they want you to do because then you won’t focus on doing actually effective activism and resistance to their stranglehold on the economy. 80% aren’t some clever sleuths who “really realize what’s going on,” you’re all being fooled and it is surprisingly easy to do. I’ve been on the other side before, I’ve seen it. They know what they’re doing. We collectively don’t. Simple as, to borrow from across the pond.
nothing you do like this is actually going to drive up their compute costs.
if every chatGPT user tomorrow started spamming the most highly optimized prompt for pissing away system resources… it still wouldn’t do anything because, like them or hate them, openAI aren’t fucking stupid and have implemented basic DBA practices that have been entrenched since… like… i dunno, the 80s, for fucks sake…
think: chatGPT responds with responses around the same max length depending on plan. you cannot submit prompts larger than a certain size, similarly. chatGPT will also only engage in reasoning or tasks for a limited amount of time before stopping, whether or not enough information is available to “answer” the prompt yet.
this is all because openAI is capable of dummy fucking simple statistical analysis that let’s them just predetermine a set size for any data package in the pipe, or predetermine a set time for any stream to have an open spigot, etc. i guar-an-fucking-tee you that they have calculated these numbers in such a way that, barring the world literally ending, they’ll still come out in the black on that front no matter what the userbase’s behavior is. it is likely mathematically impossible to “hurt” any big tech company with means like this.
you’re just wasting real resources and then further encouraging others to do so, which is hypocritically the exact same thing people enjoy going on a tirade about big tech doing.
if you want to actually piss away compute go get a copilot subscription or something and just let an agent run with no limits on iterations or requests. it’ll be at your own dime though because, again, these companies aren’t fucking stupid and can implement monetization in a way that is more highly optimized than any other polity in human history.
pretending the devil has broken hands won’t save johnny in the fiddle contest… pretending the oligarchs dismantling western society are inept won’t stop them from continuing to do it.
most people, unfortunately, don’t seem to think when they see the letters ‘A’ and ‘I’… these people probably would burn sage at the sight of the identity matrix lol.
i think you’re probably wasting your breath here but you seem like you might be cool, so if you’re interested in discussing ML at all reach out fs!
big tech doesn’t have a monopoly on linear algebra or calculus.
you can run your own telemetry, analytics, and modeling pipelines with existing toolings and most modern PCs are plenty capable of doing a wide variety of useful things with said data.
these tools are very powerful. algorithmic feeds regularly hijack your dopamine response whether you’re aware of it or not. these organizations colonize your mind. your consent or acknowledgment is not a necessary factor. why should MS, Google, and Meta be the sole masters of these feedback loops?
the old privacy is dead. going into the future people should be pragmatic and actually do something about the current state of our society instead of being whiny do-nothing pissbabies complaining endlessly about things they barely comprehend. the key to breaking our chains is understanding the very tools that oppress us all.
being as tech-illiterate, as philosophically-illiterate as most people are is why we’re in the precarious position we’re in… one where these big tech empires have risen to institutional scales, rivaling nation-states themselves. and that includes the average software developer, sysadmin, IT support, doctor, engineer etc. not even considering genAI or agentic tools - we’re in a new zeitgeist where solving highly-dimensional problems is in extreme demand with very, very few people actually educated enough to do it. we don’t need more experts, those are a dime a dozen. we need renaissance men.
do you people not see what is at stake here?
you’re a boiling frog, all of you, all of us.
one day you will wake up a citizen of meta and purchase your rations with facebook scrip, and you won’t even know it’s happened.
the decisions we all collectively take now over the next 5-10 years determine whether free society survives or if we descend into a new dark age of neo-serfdom and techno-feudalism.
may god have mercy on us all.
it’s just a different base system with some extra quirks thrown in that’s been shoehorned into a decimal society. it isn’t too difficult once you know the story of how french language got there, you feel?
based and real-pilled, the both of you.
i’m excited for the future of art. we have the potential for a new age of renaissance men who master the arts, humanities, and sciences all at once.
i think a lot of people shitting on genAI don’t see engineering itself as art… and i think that’s a piss-poor, deathly sad view of this world. it’s like 2/3 of westerners weirdly resent anything “math or science coded” as they might call it. a shame. a damn shame.
i’m fucking dead you have to be taking the piss lmfao