I dated a vegan for several years. Am a meat eater. There were no issues. The stuff she cooked was delicious, and the stuff I cooked she ate around if she had to. We respected our differences and it made us stronger
I’m inclined to be skeptical of there being no issues on her end. vegans have to tolerate a lot that we would prefer not to, but that doesn’t mean we like it.
Some are able to respect the freedom of another human and do not force their choices or life on others. I know, vegans like that tend to be rare, but there are some good ones out there, not all are toxic about it.
So “good vegans” are the ones who shut up and respect your decisions to materially support the ongoing systematic atrocities being carried out against virtually every other sentient being on the planet?
Ahh, Spotted a vegan, because you blow things out of proportion and has twisted world view. No, Im not killing every other sentient thing. I’m not eating dogs, cats, or penguins. That being said, neither I’m out in the streets or forests killing animals, they’re all farm animals that did not come into this world naturally under natural circumstances. I never said eating something that was alive and conscious like fish is a moral thing to do, I said people should live their own lives like they want to without getting religious folks (like you) getting all up in arms about what other people choose.
What is the morally relevant difference between cats and dogs, and animals raised on a farm?
Why does your “right to live your own life” take priority over an animal’s right to not be forced into captivity, held in cruel conditions that make them sick from standing in their own feces constantly and destroy their bodies over time from extremely cramped conditions, be abused on a regular basis, malnourished, before being slaughtered by a low-wage worker (who is most likely a minor or immigrant, who will end up with ptsd from killing these animals every day), being denied the ability to live out their natural lifespan by many years?
What do you think would happen to the chickens if we released them all into the wild and never bothered to keep them alive? Why are your examples taken from the absolute worst farms that are getting closed down and the industry (at least where I live) is heavily regulated against that stuff?
Your question is outlandishly unrealistic and will never happen, as what is actually happening is that we as a society are seeing an increase in both adoption of plant-dominant diets, as well as ever increasing demand for animal products. The world will never go vegan over night, it is, and will continue to be a gradual process.
By contrast, when Biden was in office there were regulations in place to protect us from the spread of infectious diseases - particularly the h5n1 bird flu virus which at present can only spread from animal to human but not human to human. So far it has a 50% death rate for those infected, and it was estimated that if it did become a pandemic, it would result in 150 million deaths worldwide.
Part of those protections involved killing millions of chickens at a time whenever they would get infected with h5n1. So even if your unrealistic scenario somehow magically came to pass, it would still be less horrific than existing reality where they are slaughtered by the billions every year, because at least it would only be a one-time situation.
Three problems with your point about the worst being shut down. First, no they aren’t. The vast majority of animal products still come from factory farms. The worst is not some niche, it’s the default, because those are the only kinds of farming systems that are efficient enough to meet the extreme demands of consumers.
Second, so-called “happy farms” are a myth. For example, you could look at the investigative journalism of Joey Carbstrong for one example of abuses revealed at these kinds of farms. Every time even the most idyllic farms are actually investigated, abuse is revealed.
Third, even if the mythic pastoral happy farm were real, it still ignores the fundamental awfulness of treating sentient beings as if they are products. Of exploiting them for labor as if they don’t have their own lives they want to live. Of forcibly extracting their secretions, of keeping them in captivity, forcibly breeding them, and ultimately of cutting their lives far short of their natural lifespans. It is wrong to kill animals, and especially when it is utterly unnecessary.
Btw, you never answered my questions.
