Makes sense. Full of pricks.

Many of the cabinet were found taking gifts. It’s very on brand for Keir’s Labour.

The problem is Greens may not be able to make inroards in working areas. They’re largely popular in well off areas and it’s where they used to target. It could be that both parties target their bread and butter and don’t directly run against each other and work together.

How true this is will become more concrete in the local elections next year. We may need both to oppose fascism. Even if YP is deeply flawed and Greens have less baggage.

Depends whether you care more about socialist outcomes or validating that your “intuition was right”.

Being happy for a socialist party to fail is not healthy. Zach and JC are open to working together. Whichever one you pick you can be happy of the decision without wanting the downfall of the representation of others.

Socialists call for solidarity. Tabloid media and the capitalist class call for division. We unite with all working people to help defend ourselves against the attacks. Let’s not be pawns and help them.

When someone says someone was a weak leader because of indecisive, logically, the correct argument is an example of a strong but shit leader.

Whataboutism is when you bring up something unrelated that someone else does. I suggest you understand terms before you try to use them.

Who should lead it then?

You throw many veto’s but aren’t proposing any options.

Defending a man against unfair smears isn’t dedication, just human decency. It might be a concept you struggle to comprehend.

The classic blame JC for Brexit is one of the weakest logical arguments I’ve seen. Every time I counter, the person goes missing. It’s a regurgitated view that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

Oh, so you’re not a socialist trying to suggest how socialists should operate. I get real Lib Dem vibes.

I think it’s pretty clear you don’t want any left initiative to succeed and are here just to stick the boot in. You’re the Guardian from 6 years ago.

I get people may think he’s incompetent or slow, or stubborn, but the anger, oh boy, the tabloid smear campaign got you good.

He could revoke the powers or not use them. He pushed through OSA. He could have canned him. You sure make excuses for him.

His government proscribed PA to arrest folk. It’s actually him.

I think he’ll go down as one of the worst. I cannot think of worse.

That’s the thing, you’re always hearing her words and thinking it’s in good faith and assuming JC is in bad faith. Politician’s playing people since the start of time. She’s building a faction to counter JCs influence. There is 5 independent MPs and JC, vs her, she’s outnumbered but wants even influence. So she’s trying to remove MPs power and move it to members to give her numbers. As JC is massively popular, she’s aligning with folk and bringing more folk in including from different parties.

That is a rule in every party though. Green’s, Lib Dems, Conservative, SNP etc. Otherwise people can come in and subvert things for purposes negative to the party. Tories can flood the party to vote weak things through. Those that choose to be exclusive care about things, as they aren’t planning to run off when it all goes down in flames.

Zarah building a faction. She could have build her own party, but JC has followers and she wants that, so she’s playing power games. If it goes wrong, she can leave and join Greens or Liberals etc. Even Labour would take her back to kill off the project.

The manoeuvering is not to favour Your Party. If it isn’t for the parties interests, but hers, it is bad faith. Same as when she unilaterally announced, and uniliterally kicked off members system. She is not a team player. She cannot fathom that folk would disagree with her, so shell try to force it through by attrition and bringing in numbers.

More Zarah drama.

I’m getting the “if I can’t lead the socialist party, no one can”.

She pushed me to the Green’s. One persons ego should not be more important than a socialist movement. She could leave, but she’d rather kill it first.

I’m glad someone appreciates Keir’s leadership. Someone was bound to, but its quite rare to find folk crushing on cold authoritarian bullshit.

Imagine being told you’re running a sexist club and not wanting to call someone a friend. I’m a surprised he’s not more angry with her conduct tbh.

That last sentence wasn’t really true though. Many do not. Tony Benn was opposed to it and the effects it had on jobs. Labour were at one point against it.

For example, subsidies are prevented under EU terms and deemed as state aid and uncompetitive. Many govs were shackled from helping their industry and the effects were wide ranging.

I voted Remain, but I have many good socialist friends that were for Leave. Assuming a right wing Brexit was the only option is shallow and lacking in imagination. Unfortunately, Greens, SNP and Lib Dems supported the election before the question of Brexit was resolved and we got a Tory hard Brexit.

Zarah has pissed off more people in the formation process, and acted uniliterally, but dunking on JC was always more fun for Liberals/Soc Dems.

Jeremy is a stubborn democrat that saw the Labour party get corrupted in real time, sitting through decades of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a view what to avoid and how to embed democracy and trade unionism into it to ensure it cannot get subverted the same way the Labour party did.

Keir on the other hand has 100% success rate. You like it?

Keir on the other hand was crystal clear. What do you reckon to him?

There is Brainrot content more deep than this.

Usually I don’t end up dumber after looking at a science meme…

I guess 6-7 is numbers, so math and the basis of most science. We good to post that here?

Science?

Yeah, but there is more to remember. I remember BODMAS and if I forget the rules, I work it out and apply it.

Do they try to evidence that, or is it just “I want him to be left wing, so pretend it’s hidden?”

He’s moved away from trade unions to funding by business. He’s drank the coolaid on AI, and appointed right wingers to prominent positions. His cabinet is basically the Progress Alumni.

22m is roughly a third of the population. More if you discount kids. Brexit was won on 17m. It is a significant part of the population even if you don’t want it to be.

Fair point on usage time, hopefully that will play an increasing part of it’s diminishing impact, but I don’t think we’re there yet.