i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

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It is wrong to kill animals

I doubt it, but most people don’t do that anyway, except pests or by accident.

none of those animals would live to the ages purported without veterinary care, food, water, shelter, and protection from predators. those aren’t natural lifespans, they are artificial lifespans

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