Tucker Carlson’s interview with the activist revealed the mainstream right is being flooded by extremism – and it’s now impossible to contain
WYDM “look like”?
Gee…it’s almost as though a doctrine that is built on divisiveness and hate will inevitably devolve into internecine squabbles because that’s all the people involved with it know how to do.
Who’d a thunk it?
Maybe you look like clowns because you are clowns…
It’s a Civil War between the Sad Clowns and the Happy Clowns.
I think we should turn the lions on the whole lot of them.
The shitstain neo-Nazi lives in a Blue State! WTF! He should shove off to fucking Indiana or Mississippi,
Wouldn’t surprise me in the least of he were an Israeli operative, tbh.
You are.
Let’s not trash clowns by comparing them to white nationalists. Clowns are fun and many don’t do genocides at all.
Edit: I was expecting someone to question that last part so I could mention Ronald McDonald and compare that to a genocide but no one took the bait.
The don’t compare x to x “joke” is pretty old
Well joking is my defense mechanism and times are pretty rough lately.
This comment thread delivers!
"We look like clowns. "
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Hey you can’t just post pics of the Kirk shooting like that
We’re supposed to be hating on minorities and making them afraid to walk down the street, but we’re fighting among ourselves instead.
-Fuentes, essentially
How does a Fuentes lead a white nationalist movement? Giving off big Clayton Bigsby vibes.
They are not smart people. And Fuentes knows it. He haaaates his followers. He despises how stupid they are. It’s an amazing interplay if you actually watch his fetid show.
edit: I can’t believe I feel the need to edit this, but we are in an unthinking timeline and I realized I left this comment out in space without qualifiers. I need to make things clear, just because Fuentes hates his nazi audience and just because he is attacking the GOP, DOES NOT MEAN HE’S NOW YOUR FRIEND. He is a giant piece of shit and his hair is weird. Let them all rot together.
1: Plenty of white Hispanic people
2: Plenty of colorism and anti-black Hispanic sentiment among non-white Hispanics
3: He considers himself white
Until he outlives his usefulness then a Whitey McPaleface will take over.
If you actually listen to him for awhile you can summarize it as:
We all hate minorities. We can hate blacks, gays, trans, but for some reason, when I hate Jews, that’s not allowed?
He is hitting a point of contradiction within modern American conservative thought as well as that of Zionism. But contradictions are fundamental to right wing thought and should be seen as more of a “shift” when their talking heads and leaders admit to them.
It is why right wing politics most logical conclusion is Nazism. Because it completely lacks the tools of dialectic and historical materialism that leftist use to analyze the world. To understand the Imperialism of America IS Israel. They are one in the same.
The right winger will believe the lie that Israel is important to the US because it is “a safe place for Jews”. When this doesn’t impact them personally they don’t really care (as we’ve seen for decades). But, as the material conditions of the working class decline they are less supportive of this. They will quickly revoked “the white card” for Jews in America. They see immigrants being rounded up, put in camps, but their life is still not improving. Their job still sucks and groceries are more expensive than ever. They ask - “What undeserving minority is still hurting me?” At least this is the narrative being fed to them by people like Nick.
The logical conclusion for them, because they lack class consciousness, is MORE rascism and xenophobia. What makes “the Jews” so special? Why is our money going to a genocide?
It’s at this point they even leverage leftist talking points in support of Gaza. But never never direct it towards the American Empire and the interest of the capitalist class.
Israel is used as a door to target Jews. And it’s perfect for them because all this time the other conservative party (the Democratic party) has been supporting Israel without hesitation. So, it’s simple to label them as “the left” whenever convenient to do so. It’s a key role that the Democratic party plays in the right wing shift of American politics. To be the contradiction that masks the contradictions of the far right.
The only true conflict within the American right is whether or not hating Jews will negatively impact the settler colonialist project that is important to maintain American imperialist interest in West Asia. And it’s not really a conflict but more a hesitation of capital to make that shift. The far right ideology that supports them wants it. But the profit incentives and Imperialism will always come first.
So, really, there is no conflict. There is only a shift and the illusion of a conflict. We were always heading here. Will some talking heads and politicians miss this boat? Ben Shapiro comes to mind. Yes. Yes they will. But was this always where things were headed? Yes.
The US will always continue to maintain it’s support of Israel. Because Israel and America are one in the same. Not because America is “controlled by Jews” but because Israel is just an extension of US imperialism.
The only dialectical change that is occuring is the push now by the far right to stop pretending. To stop pretending that the right wing is anything but the American Nazi party.
Does Nick really want support for Israel to stop? Probably he does. He is not a leftist. He doesn’t actually understand material interest of American empire or look at things through that lense.
Will the interest of capital allow anti Jewish hatred into the ruling class in order to maintain the scapegoat for fascism? Absolutely. But that doesn’t mean they will stop supporting capitalist interest in Israel. It just means that hatred of Jews will be allowed along with all other minorities.
America will literally fly the Swastika over the white house and still support Israel. A fascist ethnostate is exactly what Nazis want for white people at home. They would deport Jewish Americans to Israel if they can. That conversation is coming.
It is has been said that Antisemitism is the dumb man’s class conflict. And that is exactly what is happening now. The American working class lacks any class consciousness or organization and is ripe for further exploitation built on antisemitic rhetoric.
Too complicated. The truth is that they are just really dumb, ignorant, animals who are strongly tapped into their feral feelings. That makes them easy to manipulate by smarter, evil people.
It’s as simple as that. Evil people want what they want, and the convince stupid people to do it by tapping into their hate. Right now, Jews are a convenient target because of the current Gaza situation, but if the problem were in the Middle East, or Africa, or Central America, or anywhere else, THEY would be the target.
There isn’t long term historical considerations in their actions, just immediate political expediency. Jews are hot right now, so it’s Jews. But things are heating up in South America, so it might be Venezuelans next month, and Iranians the month after that. They’ve had their turn in the Bigotry Barrel a couple of times already.
Bottom line: Best MAGA practice is to hate everybody.
Poor wipipo are there when there’s no one else.
I think the US’s support of Isreal is 3-fold. First, it is a safe harbor for the US to extend its might in the Middle East. Second, its probably a conflating of Judism with racism. If the chant is “Why can’t the blacks go back to Africa?”, then it is also “Why can’t the Jews go back to Isreal?”. Finally, there’s the religious nuts with their suicide-cult / end times bullshit related to Jews and Isreal.
Yep. I agree. But the first of which that you listed is the one with the strongest material interests fueling it. As a leftist I see the world based first and foremost by these material incentives that influence which ideologies are used to justify them.
The reason that the christian end times bull shitters are allowed to thrive is because their ideas align with the imperialist interest. If, they believed the exact same thing, but it was in conflict with the imperialist interests in it’s material goals, it would never be as big as it is in the conservative base. It’s allowed to thrive and grow because it aligns.
Which is why we’ll see that ideology morph and justify Jewish hatred, while at the same time, still support Israel as an ethnostate.
Dialectic and historical materialism are pseudoscience. Applications in which lead to brutal dictatorships like Pol Pot and disastrous policies like Lysenkoism. The masses are an object of inertia, there is no unconsciousness of the masses, they are aware of their material conditions and they don’t care, they just want someone in charge to blame when things go wrong. Historical forces only move on the Principle of Evil (vice, sin, self-interest), the masses only rise up when they are literally starving, and embrace change when it is seductive.
What in the idealist load of bullcrap is this?
This all you got? Further idealism?
You seem to not grasp meaning of the term “idealism.” Would you like a dictionary?
Seems like that’s all you’ve got dictionary definitions and Wikipedia pages. Have you read any books?
And yes the ideas you espouse are idealist because they aren’t based on an objective look at how things actually develop and fall back to reductive phrases like “human nature”
Your comment has almost nothing to do with what was the substance of my comment so I’m not gonna take the bait. I’m not here to debate with a doomer about dialectical materialism. Something you’re very clearly not capable of understanding. Because you described it as some sort of mass pshycosis for some reason. Which just tells me you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
If you’d like to be more specific about what PART of my comment’s analysis is wrong. Or somehow leading to “dictatorships”? But you basically saw the words “dialectical materialism” and then regurgitated shit completely unrelated to the substance of my comment.
It was explicitly outlined in Marx’s writing. The dictatorship of the proletariat. As Žižek wrote in The Sublime Object of Ideology, “ideological fantasy creates social reality.” However, that social reality does not determine objective reality, merely how we interact with it. The Marxist position of achieving class consciousness is a falsehood, it is a presupposition that ignores human nature. There is no deeper philosophical meaning, the surface is the truth, the masses are an inertial force, an object not a subject. In a deterministic universe, all we have to do is look at past results to predict future outcomes.
A quote from my copy of Hegel’s Phenomenology of Spirit, “What is universally valid is also universally effective; what ought to be, in fact also is, and what ought to be without [actually] being, has no truth.”
What conversation are you hoping to have here? Because my comment was about Israel and its relationship to American imperialism fueling antisemitism. I really can’t be bothered to engage with someone who’s entire argument revolves around an appeal to “human nature”. My friend, we have fucking planes and skyscrapers and we’re communicating instantly from anywhere in the planet either of us might be right now. Part of being human is literally about overcoming nature. If you ever hear yourself saying “this is wrong because its against human nature to <blank>” you should probably get a better foundation for your argument. Because an appeal to some vague idea of “human nature” is about as good as appealing to some deity.
Wanna talk about my criticism of American Imperialism and Israel? Because that’s what you replied to.
You’re entire comment comes from a flawed position, I don’t need to focus on particulars when your entire premise is wrong.
Instead of engaging my comment, you fall back on logical fallacies. Your pseudoscientific analysis points to a lack of understanding of reality itself. It’s almost like your entire worldview was formed by propaganda coming through a screen.
Go ahead and explain how people in general are going to spontaneously evolve beyond the human condition. I do not ascribe good or bad to it, I just find it important to maybe you know, start from an accurate position.
He is hitting a point of contradiction within modern American conservative thought as well as that of Zionism. But contradictions are fundamental to right wing thought and should be seen as more of a “shift” when their talking heads and leaders admit to them.
Signifying chains may appear contradictory, but they are not. There is no commitment to any previous meaning, it can simply be resignified.
It is why right wing politics most logical conclusion is Nazism. Because it completely lacks the tools of dialectic and historical materialism that leftist use to analyze the world. To understand the Imperialism of America IS Israel. They are one in the same.
This is what makes my previous comments relevant. The tools you used are inadequate, it’s pseudoscience. I did not make an “appeal to nature,” I made empirical observation showing that your argument is invalid.
The right winger will believe the lie that Israel is important to the US because it is “a safe place for Jews”. When this doesn’t impact them personally they don’t really care (as we’ve seen for decades). But, as the material conditions of the working class decline they are less supportive of this. They will quickly revoked “the white card” for Jews in America. They see immigrants being rounded up, put in camps, but their life is still not improving. Their job still sucks and groceries are more expensive than ever. They ask - “What undeserving minority is still hurting me?” At least this is the narrative being fed to them by people like Nick.
From your (il)logical position, you build an argument based on fallacy after fallacy. Strawman, hasty generalization, post hoc, appeal to emotion, slippery slope.
Fuentes is not gaining traction because material conditions deteriorate, its because his message was amplified in right wing media circles, and his message is seductive. Social media has somewhat decentralized control over messaging, so regardless of material conditions, a seductive message would gain popularity.
The logical conclusion for them, because they lack class consciousness, is MORE rascism and xenophobia. What makes “the Jews” so special? Why is our money going to a genocide?
The left also lacks “class consciousness,” so why are they not seduced by rascist, xenophobic messages? Maybe because their signifying chains take an inverse position?
It’s at this point they even leverage leftist talking points in support of Gaza. But never never direct it towards the American Empire and the interest of the capitalist class.
Israel is used as a door to target Jews. And it’s perfect for them because all this time the other conservative party (the Democratic party) has been supporting Israel without hesitation. So, it’s simple to label them as “the left” whenever convenient to do so. It’s a key role that the Democratic party plays in the right wing shift of American politics. To be the contradiction that masks the contradictions of the far right.
Here is evidence that disproves your assertions and renders your argument invalid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
The only true conflict within the American right is whether or not hating Jews will negatively impact the settler colonialist project that is important to maintain American imperialist interest in West Asia. And it’s not really a conflict but more a hesitation of capital to make that shift. The far right ideology that supports them wants it. But the profit incentives and Imperialism will always come first.
Incorrect. American popular support for Israel is projected to decline, there is a threshold of tolerance that overrides “profit incentives and Imperialism.”
So, really, there is no conflict. There is only a shift and the illusion of a conflict. We were always heading here. Will some talking heads and politicians miss this boat? Ben Shapiro comes to mind. Yes. Yes they will. But was this always where things were headed? Yes.
The US will always continue to maintain it’s support of Israel. Because Israel and America are one in the same. Not because America is “controlled by Jews” but because Israel is just an extension of US imperialism.
America will always support Israel? That’s a long time. You make this prediction based on your cognitive bias and (il)logical reasoning.
The only dialectical change that is occuring is the push now by the far right to stop pretending. To stop pretending that the right wing is anything but the American Nazi party.
If the right wing is the “nazi party,” why do they support Israel? The establishment uses parafascism to bring extremist elements to their side, but has no interest in transforming society into some mythical utopia of the past.
Does Nick really want support for Israel to stop? Probably he does. He is not a leftist. He doesn’t actually understand material interest of American empire or look at things through that lense.
Most leftists don’t either. Most leftists only take an adversarial position of America and ignore the rest of the world and history.
Will the interest of capital allow anti Jewish hatred into the ruling class in order to maintain the scapegoat for fascism? Absolutely. But that doesn’t mean they will stop supporting capitalist interest in Israel. It just means that hatred of Jews will be allowed along with all other minorities.
America will literally fly the Swastika over the white house and still support Israel. A fascist ethnostate is exactly what Nazis want for white people at home. They would deport Jewish Americans to Israel if they can. That conversation is coming.
Your entire worldview is built on logical fallacy and propaganda. The extreme right is the group being placed on the altar of sacrifice, they are unleashed for the purpose of making them so intolerable, everyday Americans will accept any draconian measures to be rid of them.
It is has been said that Antisemitism is the dumb man’s class conflict. And that is exactly what is happening now. The American working class lacks any class consciousness or organization and is ripe for further exploitation built on antisemitic rhetoric.
Welcome to the society of the spectacle, its not the working class who are stupid, but the “intellectual” (you) who doesn’t understand them or even the basic fundamentals of reality.
Signifying chains may appear contradictory, but they are not. There is no commitment to any previous meaning, it can simply be resignified.
You clearly don’t understand what I’m even talking about in the context you quoted. If you did you’d realize you’re just repeating what I said. You aren’t even disagreeing with me. I was literally explaining how they appear as contradictions to the current narrative of the right wing at the moment. Which results in a shift of the narrative to align it closer to their true ideology (something they usually hide the totality of). I wasn’t saying it was a contradiction to right wing ideology at it’s core.
I think you’re so ready to disagree with me you didn’t even understand what I wrote. It’s clear you’re not actually looking to have a conversation. You decided you disagree with me when you read the words “historical materialism” and didn’t even bother trying to understand what was written. Do better.
Also, you sound like a 12 year old debate lord listing off logical fallacies they learned last week without actually doing any of the work logically to conclude them. You might think it sounds smart. But it really just makes you sound childish. Especially when you didn’t actually do any logical analysis to conclude to them in the first place. Logical fallacies aren’t a shopping list mate. You wrote so much and said so little.
Geez if you think that’s bad wait until you find out how many people capitalist dictators have killed in just the last year
Dumbass lmao and I don’t even buy Marx
The ideology is irrelevant in dominance hierarchies, they all follow similar patterns. Maybe read a book instead of spewing logical fallacies ad hominem, red herring, false equivalency.
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No.
Not “like.”
“We look like clowns”
Good observation, you do! But probably not for the reason you think.
Edit: Also, what the fuck is ‘the mainstream right?’
People who pay little attention but enjoy cruelty and see lots of political memes. Just guessing.
The mainstream right is primarily center-leaning folks who believe in traditional Republican talking points and don’t really examine the underlying racism. For example, they believe welfare moms are a problem. They consider spending money on the arts wasteful and regulations to be anti-business. They believe in aggressive America-first foreign policy.
Many of them just want to exist in a world where they can do what they want and most everyone is basically like them.
Overtly anti-queer conservatives are the evangelicals, the “moral majority”, and are a significant but niche faction. And then obviously you have white supremacists who are even more niche. But the mainstream tolerates both because a world where they don’t ever have to feel uncomfortable around people whose speech they can’t understand or men kissing is fine with them. They don’t hate minorities, but they just don’t really care about them either. Mostly they think themselves good people and everyone should strive to be just like them.
That all being said, I think the growing rift between the left and the right is radicalizing some of the mainstream, due to vocal extremists driving the conversation and politicians trying to stay relevant in online discussions. To the point where it wouldn’t surprise me if mainstream right isn’t the minority.
And I say all this knowing the question is probably rhetorical.
People who bought the line of bullshit about Republicans being financially responsible at some point in the 80s, decided that was enough engagement for one lifetime, and proceeded to turn their brains off and have exercised precisely 0 critical thinking about anything even remotely political ever since.
the mainstream right: Racist bigots but they like Israel and white Jews.
It used to exist. They were the people who were concerned with keeping up an appearance of respectability and avoiding extreme rhetoric in public. All of that went out of the window with Trump, of course.
Fiscal conservatives who don’t like abortion, but aren’t on the fascist train.
The Mitt Romneys of the world.
Not the Nick’s.
Any real fiscal conservatives gave up on republicans a long time ago…
Would the real fiscal conservatives please stand up, please stand up, please stand up
Nothings changed.
Leopards love the taste of face.
