I follow Kinzinger on BlueSky and I could have sworn he had left the party. I see now he refers to himself as RINO
Even though he has in the past voted for plenty things I disagree with and apparently “90% in line with Trump” before turning against him, I have to say… yes. If Kinzinger ran that’d be nice. Sadly, the GOP primary polls put Vance way ahead… Still early days, though. Who knows? DeSantis seemed to be doing well for 2024 until he wasn’t anymore. Maybe Vance screws up. Maybe Trump loses his appeal completely. It’d be nothing short of a miracle, though. Kinzinger actually even has a decent record on LGBT rights. It’d be a spectacular change.
As for Cheney… Not many people share this opinion, clearly it didn’t work, but I found Cheney useful in Harris’ campaign. To me it said “Look. Everyone from Sanders to Cheney opposes Trump. This is it. This is all of us. From left to right, everyone opposes Trump. Him and his friends are not even on the map. He’s far-right. He’s anti-democratic. He’s not part of the debate. He wants to end the debate.” (But yes, of course, I understand how the GOP enabled the oligarchy-driven autocracy that Trump is trying to cement. I know that Cheney isn’t one of the good guys)
I can live with Republicans who have integrity, and are truly committed to the true Republican tenets. I don’t agree with a lot of their stuff, but I can respect it. Not many left. My Dad was one.
But Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, which is indefensible in every way. True Republicans don’t really exist anymore, I suppose Kinzinger and Cheney are among the last T Rexes of an extinct political philosophy that exists in name only, almost as a sick joke.
There is no more Republican Party any more. It the MAGA Party now.
Republicans who have integrity, and are truly committed to the true Republican tenets.
What you see now have always been the “true” Republican tenets. Their talk about “small government”, just like with literally all conservatives, has always been a façade.
I personally think the vote count itself is mostly legit, but its really the propaganda that’s the unfair aspect, not the conduct of the election in of itself.
You don’t need to rig the election if you can just blast fake news to uneducated voters all day. You can literslly do propaganda right in the open and its legallized election manipulation.
But I think the most important thing is.
Had electoral college not been a thing, Hillary would’ve been president on January 20, 2017, and none of the stuff on current timeline would’ve happened anyways. trump would never have been president, there would be no president biden (because there’s no way he’d challenge an incumbent in 2020 and 2024 he’s too old), and therefore there’d be no kamala harris nominee, since she’d never win a primary by herself without the stepping stone of being VP. Kamala Harris vs donald trump would not even been a thing. We’d have much better candidates.
2016 election loss for republicans would signal to them that extremist nationalist racist politics doen’t work and therefore they’d be forced to become more moderate and probably end up with an average status quo nominee. And thus, democrats would’ve been forced to nominate candidates that are further left leaning, instead of merely using “we’re not trump” as a platform. And we’d never have this current mess.
The vote count is extremely suspect. There’s a group that is mathing it out district by district, and there’s a clear pattern that can be described by an algorithm
I’ve said this before in other threads, but we know that Donald Trump verifiably tried to cheat to stay in power in 2020, and when it was apparent that his cheating wasn’t working, he incited a mob to storm congress and interrupt the peaceful transition of power.
Why do people think that someone like that, who in 2024 had even less to lose by cheating and was faced with the prospect of real prison time if he did not win, would not attempt to cheat again? Especially when he was never punished for it the first time?
It blew my mind that the Democrats just accepted Harris’ loss without a fight.
It was only after Trump took office again and I observed the behavior of establishment Democrats that I realized they didn’t actually care and are on the same team. I saw those who would decry Trump at the top of the highest mountain but refuse to lift a finger to actually oppose him when they had the power to do so. Now I know they are complicit, and that a Trump presidency doesn’t hurt them, it benefits them. The opposition is just for show.
So, the Democrats probably knew Trump cheated and just let him. He would provide the perfect cover for them to conduct whatever kind of shady business they wanted while Trump makes headlines every single day for 4 years.
More like “see you later”. MTG is running for president. Watch for a podcast next year
Yep. Her crazy ass started sounding like Kamala in recent interviews
The amount of consultants puppeting her must be mind boggling
That sounds like a lot of fun. Gotta love a shitshow Republican primary
It really does.
The problem is that the Dems will match them, knucklehead for knucklehead.
I would think that if I didn’t see Trump rock through the 2016 field. Now I’d rather see Liz Cheney vs Kinzinger for the R nod
I follow Kinzinger on BlueSky and I could have sworn he had left the party. I see now he refers to himself as RINO
Even though he has in the past voted for plenty things I disagree with and apparently “90% in line with Trump” before turning against him, I have to say… yes. If Kinzinger ran that’d be nice. Sadly, the GOP primary polls put Vance way ahead… Still early days, though. Who knows? DeSantis seemed to be doing well for 2024 until he wasn’t anymore. Maybe Vance screws up. Maybe Trump loses his appeal completely. It’d be nothing short of a miracle, though. Kinzinger actually even has a decent record on LGBT rights. It’d be a spectacular change.
As for Cheney… Not many people share this opinion, clearly it didn’t work, but I found Cheney useful in Harris’ campaign. To me it said “Look. Everyone from Sanders to Cheney opposes Trump. This is it. This is all of us. From left to right, everyone opposes Trump. Him and his friends are not even on the map. He’s far-right. He’s anti-democratic. He’s not part of the debate. He wants to end the debate.” (But yes, of course, I understand how the GOP enabled the oligarchy-driven autocracy that Trump is trying to cement. I know that Cheney isn’t one of the good guys)
The idea of someone calling themselves RINO just makes no sense to me. If you’re admitting that, why the fuck are you still in the party?
The Party is more important than having principles
I can live with Republicans who have integrity, and are truly committed to the true Republican tenets. I don’t agree with a lot of their stuff, but I can respect it. Not many left. My Dad was one.
But Republicans were just the larval stage of MAGA, which is indefensible in every way. True Republicans don’t really exist anymore, I suppose Kinzinger and Cheney are among the last T Rexes of an extinct political philosophy that exists in name only, almost as a sick joke.
There is no more Republican Party any more. It the MAGA Party now.
What you see now have always been the “true” Republican tenets. Their talk about “small government”, just like with literally all conservatives, has always been a façade.
Maybe it’s a good thing they will never elect a woman to the American presidency after all.
Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason why she didn’t become president is the archaic electoral college.
I hate to tell you, but Kamala won the popular vote, too. MAGA cheated, and we ALL know it.
Eh… Maybe… Maybe not.
I personally think the vote count itself is mostly legit, but its really the propaganda that’s the unfair aspect, not the conduct of the election in of itself.
You don’t need to rig the election if you can just blast fake news to uneducated voters all day. You can literslly do propaganda right in the open and its legallized election manipulation.
But I think the most important thing is. Had electoral college not been a thing, Hillary would’ve been president on January 20, 2017, and none of the stuff on current timeline would’ve happened anyways. trump would never have been president, there would be no president biden (because there’s no way he’d challenge an incumbent in 2020 and 2024 he’s too old), and therefore there’d be no kamala harris nominee, since she’d never win a primary by herself without the stepping stone of being VP. Kamala Harris vs donald trump would not even been a thing. We’d have much better candidates.
2016 election loss for republicans would signal to them that extremist nationalist racist politics doen’t work and therefore they’d be forced to become more moderate and probably end up with an average status quo nominee. And thus, democrats would’ve been forced to nominate candidates that are further left leaning, instead of merely using “we’re not trump” as a platform. And we’d never have this current mess.
The vote count is extremely suspect. There’s a group that is mathing it out district by district, and there’s a clear pattern that can be described by an algorithm
I’ve said this before in other threads, but we know that Donald Trump verifiably tried to cheat to stay in power in 2020, and when it was apparent that his cheating wasn’t working, he incited a mob to storm congress and interrupt the peaceful transition of power.
Why do people think that someone like that, who in 2024 had even less to lose by cheating and was faced with the prospect of real prison time if he did not win, would not attempt to cheat again? Especially when he was never punished for it the first time?
It blew my mind that the Democrats just accepted Harris’ loss without a fight.
It was only after Trump took office again and I observed the behavior of establishment Democrats that I realized they didn’t actually care and are on the same team. I saw those who would decry Trump at the top of the highest mountain but refuse to lift a finger to actually oppose him when they had the power to do so. Now I know they are complicit, and that a Trump presidency doesn’t hurt them, it benefits them. The opposition is just for show.
So, the Democrats probably knew Trump cheated and just let him. He would provide the perfect cover for them to conduct whatever kind of shady business they wanted while Trump makes headlines every single day for 4 years.